The Delhi High Court Bench of Justices Vipin Sanghi and Rekha Palli is hearing the case concerning various issues that have emerged out of the COVID-19 pandemic in Delhi. Yesterday, the High Court had asked Central government to explain how States of Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra were getting more oxygen supply than their demand. .Live updates of the hearing today feature here. .An Advocate mentions application seeking oxygen supply in a hospital. .My hospital is not in the supplier list : Advocate Pm Prakash .It's a very grim situation. Patients are carrying oxygen cylinder: Prakash.I've given details to Mr Mehra and the Amicus : Prakash.Problem is that this nursing home is not part of the list.. they have to have oxygen to supply. That is the bigger problem: Amicus Senior Advocate Rajshekar Rao.Justice Palli says there are more such small nursing homes..We were in touch with them till 1:30 am. There is large number of small hospitals with technical ability. They are better equipped to be an ICU facility: Rao.Advocate Sachin Puri says the 170 oxygen concentrators seized by Police could be diverted to the hospital..He also suggests that some Oxygen concentrators which are being imported could also be given to Delhi..Prakash adds that some Oxygen cylinders are available at a certain location..Court asks Delhi govt counsel to take instructions on all the issues raised..For some patients oxygen concentrators may work.. we don't know if it will work: Court.It depends on the condition of the patient: Rao.440 cylinders have just landed from the US. They may be diverted by Central Government: Puri.Everything (imports) is not for Delhi: Court.Court asks Senior Advocate Meenakshi Arora for Central Government to take instructions..Seth Air has run out of funds. It's not able to procure. Linde is now out of supplier for 18.22 MT: Advocate Abhinav Tyagi.He says Linde has increased the rates of oxygen supply..I don't have the funds. I'm supplying at old rates. They are saying you put it on hospitals: Tyagi.Advocate Anupam Srivastava says Senior Advocate Rahul Mehra is before Surpreme Court and is urging if matter could be taken at 3:15 pm..Court proceeds to hear the case..If Linde is charging more and you say no you keep supplying at old rates, it is problem: Court.Everyone is coming to me for supply.. everyone is coming on to us. We have spent our own funds..I have no working capital: Tyagi.There has to be a flat rate for suppliers. They can't be changing the rules of the game today: Rao.Hospitals are having the same problem. We are running short: Rao.Court asks Rao to get in touch with Linde and "try and understand what the problem is"..Court asks Delhi govt to make immediate amends with respect to the hospital before it (Rescue Hospital) .Allocate oxygen: Court.Senior Advocate Tushar Rao says there are news reports on nitrogen plants being used to make oxygen. .Chips and all use nitrogen packing: Rao.Somebody should do this.. if some of you can contribute by digging out this information. State also has limited man power at this point: Court.Max Hospital again says there is an oxygen crisis as it is not being supplied. .Inox says they have been supplying to Max..Why have you not been supplying?: Court to Goyal gases. .Advocate Rohit Ranjan: 50% has to go to UP. We're supplying 45 MT to different hospitals. We have already supplied as per allocation order to Batra Hospital..Batra and LNJP (are in my list): Ranjan .Batra says they received oxygen yesterday: Counsel for Batra Hospital .When the second phase came, we informed Batra much in advance .. : Ranjan.As per allocation we are supplying: Ranjan .Inox supply has not come till date. 4 pm again we will face crisis. We are always on tenterhooks : Batra Hospital.All suppliers should follow the system. It's good for you also: Court.We only put extra stess on the system if they supply late : Batra Hospital.We don't want to bind you down to every min but you should say that the supply will be there at 5-6 pm.. : Court.Siddharth Jain for Inox: We supplied 2 MT to Batra yesterday. We supplied 24 MT to Max against 31 MT. Today we will start meeting the numbers because Delhi govt is getting the supply right.It's difficult to give confirmed schedules. We understand their pain : Jain .There is no jam. I find it hard to believe that your tankers are getting stuck somewhere. The exigencies are created because schedule is not made : Batra Hospital.I am also hyperventilating trying to serve 45 Hospitals. It's not our desire to not supply.. we welcome suggestions : Jain.Court suggests that a WhatsApp group be created with suppliers and their target hospital..That brings in more transparency and accountancy: Court .That's an excellent suggestion: Jain.We will be able to match the projections starting today: Jain.There is real time tracking. Tankers are GPS enabled: Rao.Aditya N Prasad suggests deploying pilot police vehicles for tankers..Rescue Hospital name will be added and some allocation will be given: Delhi govt Give the allocation early. How will the patients survive : Court.Three of my hospitals are on code Red. All my ambulances are running to Max Saket... nobody has stock for 24 hours. Nobody has stock for 6 hours. We're setting up plants. We've flown in plants from France : Max Hospital.It's just that land is there. It goes to parking. We're making applications to let us have multilevel parks.. so that we can augment things : Max Hospital.For larger hospitals, it should be mandatory to have oxygen plants. Had all hospitals had their own, there could have been something to fall back on. Unfortunately we are completely dependent: Court.Court asks Inox why Max was not getting allocated supply. .We have 85 MT supply. 17-18 is to Max. We service 45 Hospitals have 250 MT demand. Delhi govt couldn't organise the correct supply.. now they have. Starting today, we would be able to supply : Jain.You create these WhatsApp groups. It's our request to you : Court.Court asks some parties to exit to enable Air Linde representative to join..Advocate Karuna Nandy raises concerns of people in home isolation who are turned away by hospitals when they need ICU beds..If a patient comes to a hospital and is in need of a bed or an ICU and is turned away.. if they could qualify for domiciliary oxygen.. : Nandy.How will it work ? What about others? This means 1000s would necessarily be taken to a hospital to get a certificate : Court.All of us have been receiving calls.. even from unknown people. We've been using our offices to help. Bed is arranged and then they say no he doens't want a govt hospital: Court.It appears that .. it may be not be a permanent situation: Nandy .We hope so ...a lot of problems will get resolved (if oxygen supply is fixed): Court.If supply is increased, people would be attended to. Things will settle down: Court.Orissa has come up with an efficient referral system... : Nandy.Rao: Centre has responded that Delhi 's request is 470..That's perhaps where the error is: Rao.People in civil society say that we may need 50K MT in the whole month... there will be a huge deficit: Rao.Problem is the transportation it seems : Rao.Jindal is setting COVID facilities adjacent to its plant. So oxygen is piped : Rao.Rao suggests settings up a facility with oxygen plants in sport complexes..Somebody has to step up and provide oxygen in the next week. Plants.. are long term : Rao.These are the issues that are being answered in Surpreme Court: Amit Mahajan.SG Tushar Mehta said that centre would give 200MT more: Satyakam .Satyakam apprises the Court of the Supreme Court proceedings..Are you saying that they said they would give 200? : Court.That's the bottom-line for immediate crisis : Court.Court asks about involvement of Army. .Stayakam says talks have been made with DRDO. .Health department is making requests for States on setting up machines. We will write to Centre. Give us two days. Our officers are down with COVID: Satyakam.Court informs about the petition with respect to lawyers..There is some electricity issues with Dwarka hospital: Satyakam .You should look to operationalise : Court.They (Bar Council) need only for ICU facility.. they will manage doctors for mild patients..: Court.We will consider: Satyakam .Do it in 24 hours : Court.We want an answer tomorrow. We'll assemble some time tomorrow and deal with it : Court on opening the hospital in Dwarka.Senior Advocate Tushar Rao again emphasises using mohalla clinics..Amit Mahajan says there are machines that can test within an hour..Senior Advocate Krishnan Venugopal: They have not made a request to the army.. we need beds desperately..I don't think Centre would come in the middle: Venugopal.Venugopal says there's an advertisement in newspaper to employ retired doctors, nurses. .Delhi government may ask people to volunteer.. (for helplines): Venugopal .We've already passed that order.. : Court.I doubt if someone that age should come : Court to Satyakam.There's a chat on WhatsApp group. Dr Devi Shetty.. ICU facilites are basically run by nurses. There are large number of nurses who have not been able to join the stream but they are otherwise qualified.. similarly for doctors who have done mbbs : Court.Justice Rao today in Surpreme Court made identical suggestion. SG Mehta has indicated that he would consider: Satyakam.Venugopal continues his submissions..They've started the process of using dtc buses for the dead : Senior Advocate Malvika Trivedi.Satyakam: Six of officers are down.. we will do it. This is a crisis..These are suggestions where we cannot have an adversarial view: Satyakam.Advocate Ankur Mahindro: there's no headway in testing. We can start with RAT at Mohalla clinics and mobile clinics..Let's not stall testing: Mahindro.We are testing 70-80k.. we were testing around 1 lakh before the curfew. We were going to market places .. about 30k. That was reduced: Satyakam.This is not the final explanation. Court also asked about capacity. We have written to all labs saying we have not stopped tests : Satyakam.Then why is there 24-48 hour waiting: Puri .Mahajan also says that tests can't be done before two days. .We have placed a huge order of test kits but supplier is also down with COVID: Satyakam.Home testing is a big problem: Rao.Dr Lal turnaround time is 24-48hours+. Dr Dang has waiting : Rao .We should see there is a ramp up. There needs to be some education to say that you have to get out and get tested: Rao.There's no labs that's giving less than 2-3 weeks time: Tushar Rao.On RAT vs RT PCR, negative RAT has no value. We may miss quite a number of cases: Batra Hospital ED .Atleast those who test positive we know: Court.Rakesh Malhotra says there's CB NAT and TruNAT tests but they are expensive..Labs are losing interest because of price cap. Delhi govt has not paid them (for the samples sent by them): Malhotra.D Dimer test kit also not available, Malhotra.Advocate Kamil Khan says now Mohalla clinics are only doing 50 tests..Court asks about allocation of cylinders imported from USA..Officers will get back of oxygen concentrators : Arora.Seth Air: I'm not able to handle the allocation. .Linde MD is down with COVID. Counsel also has COVID: Rao.Linde is stocking it here from other sites. There is delta on transportation. Manufacturer says if you pick it up from Jamshedpur, we will give for 15.22. otherwise, it's 25: Rao.Seth is saying it doesn't have the means to pay. It's a monetary problem not a supply problem. Someone can underwrite this : Rao .Seth should be allowed to pass it down : Court .Somebody has to figure it out : Rao.Tankers should not be held up : Rao.We'll record that it will have to be ultimately absorbed by the Hospital and then by the customer.. in the meantime you continue. I will pass an order that we will fix : Court to Seth Air.We are going to collapse. We are not able to supply: Seth Air.Now I'm supplying 37MT only to Delhi. Earlier I was doing total 16 MT. Some new refiller has to come in. The system will collapse : Seth Air.Army came in saying our jawaans are dying. We have and then couldn't supply to Delhi : Seth Air.If Delhi government can give us the funds and take it on them.. we are wiped out. We can't take another consignment: Seth Air.I've worked my way up.. you can't double by capacity and then it was suggested that it was in black market. I have to prioritise everyone. Harayana government is also coming to me : Seth Air.I have one 3MT truck. I can't be expected to supply 37MT : Seth Air .Court asks Delhi government to consider..Advocate Muralidhara for Linde, who is in hospital due to COVID : Additional charges are because of transportation. .You appear to be justified. You have to supply..the situation is that we desperately need oxygen on ground. Please don't insist that you have to get it today: Court.Let it remain at old rate and let Seth pick it up. You are a much bigger player than Seth : Court.They can pay later. I'll ask to give some credit period: Linde.I can ask my clients to release consignment on 25.22 invoicing : Linde.I paid 10 lakh yesterday. I paid 10 lakh today. I am wiped.. if my bills are cleared I'll get some money.. hospitals should pay my bills and Delhi govt should clear my bills : Seth Air.It's ultimately your business: Court .Then I've to ask for loan. I'm in your condition: Seth Air .Delhi government outstanding is 12 lakh. I'll get a clear picture: Seth Air.Advocate Varun Singh mentions another writ petition on migrant labourers. .We'll send these petitions to Justice Manmohan's Bench. We've too much on our hands: Court.Senior Advocate Rahul Mehra: The matter was heard at length.. presentation was made by Ms Dawra.. I think there are going to be directions in the interim. They heard me...They have now asked the two Amicus ...all.petitions to be rooted through them and if they can be heard by HCs.. indication was given by SG Tushar Mehta that he has something in mind (on Delhi supply) .Indicate what and where: Court.The Solicitor has spoken to the Officers. They said there's no dearth of oxygen. Also that if there is a request, they will have no problem in looking into it favourably: Mehra.Surpreme Court said given them 700MT and make sure it arrives in Delhi : Mehra.Justice Chandrachud said 4-5 very critical things : Mehra.They said Centre has a very pro active role.. irrespective of Delhi's capacity.. : Mehra .He narrates the proceedings and observations made by Surpreme Court..We take it that Supreme court order will take care of these aspects? : Court .Mr Mehta can make a statement when it will happen: Mehra.All these have been dealt by Surpreme Court: Amit Mahajan .Mehra insists that SG Tushar Mehta may clarify..The entire Delhi government machinery will do everything in power to deal with problem of common man : Mehra.Solicitor General Tushar Mehta: I'm amazed that he wants me to spell out now..Supreme Court has suggested something and I've agreed. It's in the direction of solving the problem: Tushar Mehta.Let order of Supreme Court come. We'll hold a hearing tomorrow.. if something needs to be done : Court.I responded in good faith. I don't think anything will be in order: SG Tushar Mehta .Court says it should also know. If you're doing something, it'll save time in dictating order. .By when ? By when is it expected? Whatever it is : Court.Tushar Mehta says he's not available tomorrow. .It's straining the whole city: Court.Mr Mehta has given an assurance (to Surpreme Court). If he can do it at his end, it's not adversarial: Mehra.If Mr Mehta can please indicate today tomorrow if Delhi is going to get as demand :Mehra.Tushar Mehta suggests having oxygen issue on Monday and rest may be taken up tomorrow..Court begins recording the order..Court records the submissions made Mehra and Solicitor General Tushar Mehta..Accordingly, aspect of allocation of oxygen if needed would be looked into on Monday: Court .Need won't arise: Tushar Mehta.Supply lines from Inox..they are just not supplying: Mehra.We took up the matter.. Jain and Goyal gases have assured that henceforth they will make the supply: Court.This is just to indicate what is going on..there will be complete collapse: Mehra.We need to keep this in mind that these were voluntary deliverables: Mehra.Mehra shares supply data with respect to 5 hospitals i.e. 4 Max and one BLK..Supplier for all us Inox...I said Inox are the best in the industry.. but all others are delivering better than them: Mehra.Either it is being black marketting or it is something else: Mehra.I shudder to think what is happening to others (smaller hospitals): Mehra.How can hospitals work with erratic figures?: Mehra .Mr Jain, where is it going if not to hospitals: Court .I'm shocked to hear the allegations when the entire fault lies with Delhi Government: Jain.Jain says Delhi government changed supply chain like pizza delivery..Jain shares his data..There is no product.. there has been a shortage: Jain.We are picking additional 80MT from Air Liquide. We would now be able to honour the commitment because now we have the quantities: Jain.Jain shares his data on supply to hospitals. .Average supply is 163.2 for three days: Jain.Today we will deliver full 165..this data is already with Delhi Government : Jain.All our supplies are now normalised: Jain.I think two hospitals that were taken off..I facilitated for him now to turn around and say Delhi govt changed order.. : Mehra .What's gone is gone: Court.Mehra says it needs to be done 100%. .That he's undertaking: Court .It's not in the interest.. : Mehra.Court says except for Inox and Goyal, no other supplier is present..Mehra makes submissions with respect to Seth Air. .Justice Sanghi faces connection issues..Justice Palli asks Mehra to look into the issue of involvement of Army..Justice Rekha Palli tells Mehra that Delhi government must continue to take care of individuals needing oxygen..Seth is a very critical link. I get SoS calls. Till Seth was there. He used to manage. Ever since we have taken over, he was completely left it to us : Mehra.We passed the order because he wasn't supplying : Court .His horoscope for the day was bad : Mehra.Court may consider recalling the order : Mehra.We didn't want you to operate: Court.We've said he will run it under supervision: Court .Words are Delhi government to take over: Mehra.Another hospital says Seth should be directed to maintain arrangements and not be allowed to lift micro cylinders. .Mr Mehra, we will lift it on your submissions: Court.Court begins recording order..We make it clear that we had not directed that the operation be done by GNCTD. We had infact observed that plant be run by Seth Air.. in any event, in view of submission, we suspend the order: Court .Court says Seth Air will be supervised like all other plants..Amicus Rao points out that Seth family is indisposed and doesn't have funds. .He has to ensure that he can run it: Rao.Sanghi points out the issues raised by Seth Air..If all three (Linde, Seth Air and Delhi govt) can sit down and if Delhi government has to take some costs on itself: Mehra.Linde is ready to take the lesser amount for time being and rates be fixed by the authority: Court .Rs 1 crore 10 lakh is pending with hospitals: Seth Air.This is something you have to address: Court .Mehra says he will facilitate a meeting of concerned persons. .We can take these issues offline: Mehra.Alok Aggarwal for Maharaja Agrasen: One of our main vaporizer is not working.. if goverment can help us with some technical assistance..Please take this offline: Mehra.Venugopal says the Delhi govt could consider using hostels for quarantining doctors, nurses on COVID duty..SUV can be fitted to work as ambulances: Venugopal.Venugopal urges authentication of data on Delhi fights corona portal. .This is being done : Rao.It doesn't give actual true picture. Single bench went into it : Puri.All these individual requests are thrown at us last minute...if they could be rooted through the amicus: Mehra. .We'll also assist : Satyakam.It could be improved.. direction came two days before. But website is there: Rao.We've filed an affidavit today.. suggestions are being looked into: Advocate Gautam Narayan.If it's only a statistical exercise, we know what the ground situation is.. if we can have an interactive platform where people can book.. otherwise it's all.. : Court.It depends on data collection at the end of nodal officer.. affidavit has been filed: Narayan.If it's being once a day or twice a day, let it be that way.. : Court.People are scrambling for beds...if they are lucky they get it .. either we come with a system where you have online allocation but patient has to be first seen. Doctors need to assess. You can't do it online : Court.In Bombay, municipal corporation is going door to door and doctor will make an assessment and pick up a patient if he needs hospitalization: Court.We can't do that it Delhi and it's too late to evolve that system.. it's a complete hotchpotch. Let's not even look that way : Court.Today we are not even looking at those issues (medicines etc) because we are on the first (oxygen): Court.Patients can't be made to turn around..that direction has come : Mehra (in case of barricades).Court records submissions made by Seth Air..Court records submissions by Linde..Let this aspect be resolved by holding a meeting between Seth Air, Nodal officer and Mr Mehra. Other refillers be also taken on board: Court.In the meantime, Seth Air should continue to supply lest it effects lives of those in hospitals: Court.Gap has to be passed on to hospitals and to patients. That we can't get in : Mehra .Mr Mehra says dues of Seth Air will be cleared at the earliest: Court.He's saying even the two tankers at Linde..he doesn't have the money: Court.If it's a genuine problem, I'll personally take care of it. I'll try and talk to the highest officers.. : Mehra .We hope and expect hospitals to clear the dues so that the supply chain is not disrupted: Court.An advocate raises issues of rates of treatment. .We'll come to treatment later. First get treatment: Court.Court asks Mehra to look into using nitrogen plants..They are looking into it : Rao.Court records submissions of usage of nitrogen plants..As advocates mention matter, Court says it was not going to pass orders in individual matters. .What happens to others who can't come to court: Court .List all individual petitions and applications tomorrow: Court.Court issues notice in Bar Council matter..Court records that Delhi government would come back with instructions tomorrow..Mohalla clinics are very small .. entry and exit points are also not conducive: Mehra on using mohalla clinics .Mehra says SDM offices would be explored. .Which hospital is not rushed? : G Tushar Rao.Court records submissions. .Mr Mehra states he would take instructions and get back on Monday : Court.Submissions with regard to scaling up RAT in addition with RT PCR in mobile vans in containment zones and hospitals.. GNCTD shall examine the said aspect: Court.Mehra says issue of Rescue Hospital be taken up on Monday..So you ask them to shut down : Court.Court records order..We direct nodal officers of GNCTD to examine the aspect..: Court.Late evening there was a bed in Sadarjung.. but my friend had apprehensions on shifting..in that gap, somebody very very serious was attended to.. situation is very very tight: ASG Chetan Sharma on arranging a bed for a colleague.Try and sort it out : Court.Court records further submissions made by Venugopal..Advocate informs his relative has expired so no more efforts need to be made. I have failed : Advocate The State has failed : Court.This is one story we are hearing. There are so many others.. Centre has to step up: Rao.We may record our complete helplessness in the situation. State has failed.. to protect Right to Life of citizens: Court.Court records submissions made by Venugopal..Let GNCTD look into the suggestions and report: Court.Court records that Advocate Aditya N Prasad has converted his car into ambulance, and GNCTD officers may get in touch with him..Court records other submissions made during the day..Somebody (from Centre) may clarify that the remdesivir that is not being exported, is to be diverted : Rao. Mr Mahajan shall take instructions and report : Court.We'll take up individual matters tomorrow: Court.95 people are on death beds. There is no oxygen: Advocate Himanshu Dagar .You'll have to go to the Nodal officer and sort it : Court.I'm there on the chart. : Dagar for Gandhi Nursing Home.We have been trying to contact... there is no response.. God knows who is going to die next. Hospital is running pillar to post : Dagar.If allocation has been made, you have to supply no: Court .I'm speechless. We are only following it up. Whenever there is buffer, we supply.. we don't know what to do anymore.. : Mehra.We don't even have a single cylinder: Dagar .Mr Mehra, please find out: Court.None appeared for other suppliers expect for Inox and Linde : Court records their submissions.We have suggested that suppliers make a WhatsApp group with hospitals and list timing of supply and share gps location of tankers: Court.Mr Vijay Bhidhuri is joining : Mehra.Query is put to Bhidhuri on allocation to Dagar' s hospital..Since Bhidhuri is unable to join, he briefs Satyakam by phone. .We'll keep this matter tomorrow. You sort it out in the meantime : Court.Issue notice.. explanation be placed tomorrow why allocation order was not adhered to : Court.Supplier is directed to remain represent tomorrow: Court.Mr Dagar will give me a call.. : Satyakam .We'll take up the matter tomorrow at 11:30: Court .Hearing over.